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February 12
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February 12, 2025
(Wednesday)
Politics and elections
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February 11
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February 11, 2025
(Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Arts and culture
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections
Sports
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RD: Donn Moomaw
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Football Foundation
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Margarita Forés
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News
Credits:
- Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: She was a Filipino chef. The article looks good. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose There's some cn tags since a major source that was used throughout the article was a deadlink that redirected to a car ad and no longer supported some of the article's statements. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Moses Lim
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:
- Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Justanothersgwikieditor (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A household name in Singapore, and likely was well-known to varying extents in other countries as he was part of the cast of the Under One Roof (Singaporean TV series) that was exported to multiple countries. – robertsky (talk) 03:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support One cn tag shouldn't keep this article from getting posted. Overall, well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Philip Brady
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TVHead (talk · give credit), Afterwriting (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose There are still a few uncited statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Unsourced section and some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
February 10
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February 10, 2025
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections
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RD: Nigel McCrery
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Keith H99 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Publications section needs more citations, and a CN tag still remains in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Donald Shoup
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): parking.net
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American research professor of urban planning at University of California, Los Angeles. Author of The High Cost of Free Parking. Death published 10 February. Thriley (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 2 cn tags still remain in the article. Additionally, the Bibliography section needs more ISBNS or references to fill out the section. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Bibliography has sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
2025 Guatemala City bus crash
[edit]Blurb: A bus falls off a bridge (rescue efforts pictured) over the Las Vacas River in Guatemala City, capital of Guatemala, killing at least 56 people and injuring several others more. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 16:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment @ArionStar: I urge you to review pages like WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEVENT to make sure that you are creating and nominating articles that actually are encyclopic articles on events, rather than simply reporting an event. In this case an article with one one sentence is far far too early to even consider for an ITN (we never post something that short). Please at least try to have the article with a minimum length (roughly 1500 chat of prise) before nominating here. I don't have an immediate comment here on this specific event, just that like several of your past ITNC noms, the articles have been woefully lacking in details and there has been no clear sign they can be expanded. Masem (t) 16:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait a moment… ArionStar (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: the event become notable as the death toll is high and further investigations are underway. ArionStar (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- ArionStar, can you point to the notability guideline that supports this? Cause that sounds like utter bull. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Thebiguglyalien: WP:INDEPTH and WP:DIVERSE. From local TV Azteca to The New York Times or even The Times of India, an unrelated country… ArionStar (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- ArionStar, can you point to the notability guideline that supports this? Cause that sounds like utter bull. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: the event become notable as the death toll is high and further investigations are underway. ArionStar (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait a moment… ArionStar (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
Oppose Article is in no state for the front page right now.Support Looking much better. This is getting wide coverage and the number of casualties is significant. Estreyeria (talk) 16:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)- Oppose. One sentence. As Masem says, write the article before nominating it. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I did something now. ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Lean support: 55 killed in the worst road accident of 2025 and one of the deadliest in Latin America in recent years. There's also sources claiming it was Latin America's worst road accident. I was going to say oppose due to the article being a stub and due to bus crashes or road accidents in general being common in Latin America, but the article is in better condition. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - I wouldn't even say the article should be in mainspace due to the state its in, but that’s just me. EF5 17:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @EF5: now it's good enough. ArionStar (talk) 14:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - I see this nom going the same way as the last bus plunge. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The 'bus plunge' cliche is helping no-one. Are these deaths really less newsworthy because of the type of vehicle involved? 'Bus plunge' is mostly used an excuse not to post mass casualty events from developing countries. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the type of vehicle is entirely tied to how newsworthy. One person dying in a spacecraft is inherently far more newsworthy than one person dying in an automobile. Generally, a road accident is not encyclopedic. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- The 'bus plunge' cliche is helping no-one. Are these deaths really less newsworthy because of the type of vehicle involved? 'Bus plunge' is mostly used an excuse not to post mass casualty events from developing countries. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Even with the article’s expansion, there’s just a single sentence on the accident itself - the reactions section is over twice as long. The Kip (contribs) 18:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
Lean Oppose I can see the reasoning that this is a lot of deaths, but it's a literal bus plunge and there was just another a few days ago. I don't think this is getting posted.Changing my vote to Lean Support due to increased casualties, an improved article, the Escarcega crash looking unlikely to be posted, convincing arguments by others, etc. --SpectralIon 18:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)- Comment The article is better now. ArionStar (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support I find myself once again pointing out that in past circumstances where extremely similar accidents occurred but with far less casualties, less global coverage, yet in North America, we posted the incident rather resoundingly: see e.g. Schoharie limousine crash, Humboldt Broncos bus crash, Carberry bus crash. We also posted 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash after a series of oppose votes, before strong objections about a double standard ended up swaying the consensus decision towards posting. Similarly to the 2024 South Africa bus crash, this incident is attracting worldwide press coverage from Reuters to Australian media to the Times of India. Nobody has provided any reasoning for why this bus crash is less notable than other mass casualty incidents other than, "it's a bus plunge". I would say that because we regularly post lower casualty accidents with Americans/Canadians as opposed to Guatemalans, further elaboration is necessary. In fact, this crash strikes me as MORE notable than the American crashes we have posted because it occurred in a dense urban area - those accidents were all rural! Precedent is important, as is the avoidance of anglocentric double standards at ITN. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I would’ve almost certainly voted against all 4, in retrospect. The Kip (contribs) 23:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's not really a matter of "anglocentric double standards" but of the quality and availability of the news sources: what's the Guatemalan equivalent of the NYT or BBC News? And, to make it applicable to the Campeche crash too, what's the Mexican equivalent of the Guardian or CNN? Writing a decent article on your examples from the US or Canada is much, much easier. As just an example, what highways did these two accidents happen on? You'd have to dig very deep into non-English sources to discover those factoids, whereas for Schoharie we've got the answer in plain English in the first ref. (The answers, by the way, are Federal Highway 186 and CA9, the latter of which not only doesn't exist as an article but isn't even listed on the dab page.) As a result, the quality of the articles is ... not great, and likely to stay that way. In the Escárcega article, I can see misinterpretations of Spanish reports that have come down to WP through Eng-lang sources. For instance,"The local council, Palacio Municipal de Comalcalco..." from the BBC. No: Comalcalco is a place (it's where most of the holidaymakers were from, I think), it has a local council -- municipal govt, I suppose -- which is based at the Municipal Palace, or we might gloss that as "city hall". But that's what the WP:RS says; were I to change it, I could rightly be reverted on those grounds. And that's before getting into the more philosophical questions of long-term impact. WP:CRYSTAL and all that but no, Mexican trucks aren't going to have to pass mandatory roadworthy testing as a result of Escárcega, and Guatemalan buses aren't going to stop carrying passengers three-on-a-seat as a result of Puente Belice. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think these are fair concerns, Moscow Mule. My only real response is that these points all (mostly) sound to me like article quality concerns, as opposed to objections to notability. To make my point clearer: if a Mexican newspaper released a well-written English-language article tomorrow that allowed us to add more details to the article, then most of what you are concerned about would be remedied - so, a question of quality of sources, which is an extension of article quality. By contrast, my concerns with a "double standard" pertain to selectively opposing this crash on notability. Per your own admission, the only real argument on notability is your last point, which you readily admit boils down to WP:CRYSTAL. If this article failed to be posted due to a genuine consensus over article quality, I would not be bothered. The reality, though, is that many votes are simply reflexively writing off bus crashes outside North America on notability, which is what triggered my comment. FlipandFlopped ツ 03:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I found TV Azteca Guatemala and Prensa Libre (Guatemala). ArionStar (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think these are fair concerns, Moscow Mule. My only real response is that these points all (mostly) sound to me like article quality concerns, as opposed to objections to notability. To make my point clearer: if a Mexican newspaper released a well-written English-language article tomorrow that allowed us to add more details to the article, then most of what you are concerned about would be remedied - so, a question of quality of sources, which is an extension of article quality. By contrast, my concerns with a "double standard" pertain to selectively opposing this crash on notability. Per your own admission, the only real argument on notability is your last point, which you readily admit boils down to WP:CRYSTAL. If this article failed to be posted due to a genuine consensus over article quality, I would not be bothered. The reality, though, is that many votes are simply reflexively writing off bus crashes outside North America on notability, which is what triggered my comment. FlipandFlopped ツ 03:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's not really a matter of "anglocentric double standards" but of the quality and availability of the news sources: what's the Guatemalan equivalent of the NYT or BBC News? And, to make it applicable to the Campeche crash too, what's the Mexican equivalent of the Guardian or CNN? Writing a decent article on your examples from the US or Canada is much, much easier. As just an example, what highways did these two accidents happen on? You'd have to dig very deep into non-English sources to discover those factoids, whereas for Schoharie we've got the answer in plain English in the first ref. (The answers, by the way, are Federal Highway 186 and CA9, the latter of which not only doesn't exist as an article but isn't even listed on the dab page.) As a result, the quality of the articles is ... not great, and likely to stay that way. In the Escárcega article, I can see misinterpretations of Spanish reports that have come down to WP through Eng-lang sources. For instance,"The local council, Palacio Municipal de Comalcalco..." from the BBC. No: Comalcalco is a place (it's where most of the holidaymakers were from, I think), it has a local council -- municipal govt, I suppose -- which is based at the Municipal Palace, or we might gloss that as "city hall". But that's what the WP:RS says; were I to change it, I could rightly be reverted on those grounds. And that's before getting into the more philosophical questions of long-term impact. WP:CRYSTAL and all that but no, Mexican trucks aren't going to have to pass mandatory roadworthy testing as a result of Escárcega, and Guatemalan buses aren't going to stop carrying passengers three-on-a-seat as a result of Puente Belice. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Flipandflopped The fact that ITN made dumb mistakes other times doesn't mean it needs to make a dumb mistake today. I advise you to strike your implied accusations of racism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- thebiguglyalien, I never once accused anyone of racism. I was very careful to explain my reasoning thoroughly and politely... if you are taking offence to an accusation of racism that you yourself have introduced into the discussion, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, please refrain from calling others "dumb". I don't think debating how you are applying WP:OTHERSTUFF to ITN further will be conducive of a respectful or helpful discussion, so I will leave it at that. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- ? ArionStar (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Someone to collapse this part? ArionStar (talk) 01:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- ? ArionStar (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- thebiguglyalien, I never once accused anyone of racism. I was very careful to explain my reasoning thoroughly and politely... if you are taking offence to an accusation of racism that you yourself have introduced into the discussion, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, please refrain from calling others "dumb". I don't think debating how you are applying WP:OTHERSTUFF to ITN further will be conducive of a respectful or helpful discussion, so I will leave it at that. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support The article is more put together and covers an important event with a large death toll in a part of the world that often isn't covered on English Wikipedia. NewishIdeas (talk) 07:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support 51 deaths from a bus crash is very notable. Also per above, a lot of previous crashes were also published, I don't see this as any different. TheHiddenCity (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Update: the death toll rose to 56: a investigation is underway; the article is bigger now. @Masem, Estreyeria, Moscow Mule, and EF5: ArionStar (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Prominent mass casualty event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Well, the article is good for now. ArionStar (talk) 02:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The details seem too thin. What sort of bus was it? Was it a chicken bus or what? Who was the operator and what was the service? Why was it going so fast? Is that normal? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- "Chicken bus" is an offensive term used by English tourists visiting Latin America. Totally out of place. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm just going by what I read about buses in Guatemala, which indicates that the locals use a similar term in Spanish: camioneta gallinera. The point is to get clarity about the model of bus. Was it a pullman coach, a city commuter bus, a converted school bus or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 11:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Adding the information. The work of finding sources is time-consuming but I'm getting it. ArionStar (talk) 11:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see you've added some info about the passengers but I'm not seeing anything about the bus. There seem to be several theories about what went wrong but it still seems quite speculative. I wouldn't expect international sources to follow up and working from local sources will be difficult and take time, as you say, I suppose. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes but I don't see any reason for opposing due to it. ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: information about the bus finally added. ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- That's a good detailed source you found – well done. But I'm not seeing where you get camioneta from as the source doesn't seem to use that word; just using the English word "bus" even in the Spanish version. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- It wasn't me; I've already moved Bus transport in Central America to the "See also" section. ArionStar (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- That's a good detailed source you found – well done. But I'm not seeing where you get camioneta from as the source doesn't seem to use that word; just using the English word "bus" even in the Spanish version. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: information about the bus finally added. ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes but I don't see any reason for opposing due to it. ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see you've added some info about the passengers but I'm not seeing anything about the bus. There seem to be several theories about what went wrong but it still seems quite speculative. I wouldn't expect international sources to follow up and working from local sources will be difficult and take time, as you say, I suppose. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Adding the information. The work of finding sources is time-consuming but I'm getting it. ArionStar (talk) 11:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm just going by what I read about buses in Guatemala, which indicates that the locals use a similar term in Spanish: camioneta gallinera. The point is to get clarity about the model of bus. Was it a pullman coach, a city commuter bus, a converted school bus or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 11:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- "Chicken bus" is an offensive term used by English tourists visiting Latin America. Totally out of place. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support as a clearly notable topic, and in good enough condition (quality/length) for a MP outing. Serial (speculates here) 13:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- It is uncommon to see top leaders of other countries reacted to a bus crash. ArionStar (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. A bus crashed. Not an encyclopedic subject. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Update: the government of Taiwan sent condolences: [5] ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- By the way, the subject has already 4 language hiperlinks. ArionStar (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Maldives too ArionStar (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- The {{cite tweet}} template is kinda problematic… Any hint? ArionStar (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oh… The bot just corrected it! Thank you, machine! ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Please do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. The Kip (contribs) 03:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm just in the middle of source readjustment, it's the first time I'm doing a massive work like that. ArionStar (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- You have commented here more than 20 times. You need to stop. Stephen 04:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- There is no reason for anyone to police another users comment activity. Pretty ridiculous. NewishIdeas (talk) 05:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- You have commented here more than 20 times. You need to stop. Stephen 04:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm just in the middle of source readjustment, it's the first time I'm doing a massive work like that. ArionStar (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Please do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. The Kip (contribs) 03:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Update: the government of Taiwan sent condolences: [5] ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Done The 2025 Guatemala City bus crash#International part was written and sourced. ArionStar (talk) 06:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC) P.S.: I'm commenting on the improvements I did in the article.
- Support Article looks good in terms of sourcing and the high death toll does make it blurbworthy IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Removed (Ready), there does not appear to be a consensus here quite yet. Black Kite (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: 9 in favor (including a strong support) versus 6 against (including EF5 opposing on quality before that being improved); I guess it's a rough consensus, IMHO… ArionStar (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
Romanian president
[edit]Blurb: Romanian President Klaus Iohannis resigns from office. (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: ITNR as change in head of state. Announced today, but he said it'd happen on Wed. Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until it happens (within a day if my time zones are correct). Will give time to likely know how the replacement process will go to include in blurb. Masem (t) 15:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, and a new blurb should be in order. Seems very bare-bones for now. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - is it worth noting that he's called for the second round of elections to start again? I have to admit i myself dont know much about that part, but i agree with the wait. TrainSimFan (talk) 17:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until it actually happens, the support. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait. Until it has a new successor. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose -- this is not ITNR, because the president of Romania does not administer the executive. He is not the Head of Government, that role belongs to the Prime Minister of Romania. I've also removed the itnr label. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 00:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- According to your the link you provided the Romanian president does wield executive powers, although not necessarily the same powers as the prime minister so this is in fact ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- President of Romania#Powers and duties confirms this. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- According to your the link you provided the Romanian president does wield executive powers, although not necessarily the same powers as the prime minister so this is in fact ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2025 Sri Lanka blackouts
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Sri Lanka faces nationwide blackouts after a monkey breaks into a sub-station in Sri Lanka's electrical grid (Post)
Alternative blurb: Monkey causes a ripple effect in Sri Lanka's massive power outage that lasted for hours.
Alternative blurb II: Sri Lanka faces a power outage after monkey had disrupted a key sub-station in electrical grid.
News source(s): BBC; Sky News; The Guardian; ABC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose - While funny, power seems to be returning and the effects seem to be limited. If the monkey strikes again, I could be persuaded to change my vote. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Monkey strikes? I didn't even know they were unionised. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose lack of power for a few hours is not ITN appropriate and may even be a NOTNEWS issue. Masem (t) 15:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Though discussions could be on quality, which is not that bad, this event is far more better than other which get posted albeit NOTNEWS. Isn't this what Masem says, ITN is to showcase Wikipedia articles in news and not necessarily a serious news business who shall shy from posting something hurting its so-called reputation. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 17:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- At the same time, WP is not a newspaper, and articles created about t events with no lasting impact or coverage lack the required notability and should not be featured on the main page. This is more an amusing news story ( an outage caused by a monkey) and really doesn't have a place on WP. If you want news, Wikinews is that away, we are here to feature quality articles about topics that happen to be currently covered by the news. — Masem (t) 18:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. Better fit for DYK. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, not important per Masem and mike_gigs, the interesting part is the monkey which makes this more suitable for DYK per The Kip. --SpectralIon 18:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, might have made it if it had been a whole series? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Microplastics in the brain
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Microplastics (pictured) are found to be increasingly polluting human brains. (Post)
News source(s): Nature; CNN; Science Media Centre; Smithsonian; Times;
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Comment - The target article and the article linked in the blurb are different, which one are you proposing? Both have quality issues, but one looks a little easier to fix. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe Microplastics and human health could be linked to polluting. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 14:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which is the best article for this. Other candidates might be plastic pollution and health and safety hazards of nanomaterials. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose this is hardly a "current event". Studies about this are in the news all the time. Estreyeria (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Esteryeria. I'd love to see more medical and science stories, but something like this regarding microplastics where the information has been trickling out for years make it difficult to find an appropriate point to post. Masem (t) 14:40, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Not a “current” story. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- My starting point for this was the report in the UK's newspaper of record yesterday which said, "This study, published in the journal Nature Medicine, made headlines around the world last week." It is therefore "in the news". Andrew🐉(talk) 18:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
last week
- So you yourself have just admitted it’s stale? The Kip (contribs) 21:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- No. WP:ITN explains that "older than the oldest entry in the current "In the News" box is considered stale". The Nature paper is dated 3 Feb and the news coverage then followed. The oldest blurb is currently the Grammys and they happened on 2 Feb – 8 days ago. That's what's stale. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- My starting point for this was the report in the UK's newspaper of record yesterday which said, "This study, published in the journal Nature Medicine, made headlines around the world last week." It is therefore "in the news". Andrew🐉(talk) 18:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, this is not an event, it is a constant trickle of papers about microplastic pollution and this is merely a coincidental wave of them. --SpectralIon 18:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support, it is a new study, the sources provided above range from 3rd February to yesterday. The researchers have found around a spoon of microplastics in our brain, I think this is more notable than the winner of the Superbowl. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Esteryeria TheHiddenCity (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. If there was a current event here it'd be the new study, but there is no article for that study (linked, or as far as I could tell, on Wikipedia) and thus I agree with Esteryeria. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Peter Tuiasosopo
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, EW
Credits:
- Nominated by harizotoh9 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Actor, known for playing E. Honda in the 1994 Street Fighter film. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Filmography section is entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Filmography needs some more sources. Close though! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
February 9
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RD: Edith Mathis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Heimstern (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Swiss soprano Grimes2 (talk) 07:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Although I'd like to see the lead expanded a bit, the article is good for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Beverly Byron
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pemilligan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former U.S. Congresswoman. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks good enough (C level). Adding a couple more sources might be better, but there are citations throughout. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Rutherford Chang
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American conceptual artist. Death announced 9 February. Thriley (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Article is much too short to be considered for notability at the moment. Highresheadphones (talk) 06:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Way too short. Article is a stub. TheBritinator (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 2 citations, 113 words, stub class. Not long enough for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Tom Robbins
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E879:7EF4:6A8B:98D2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SounderBruce (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American novelist. 240F:7A:6253:1:E879:7EF4:6A8B:98D2 (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is long enough and has enough citations to be considered ITNRD level quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Fake. Jusdafax (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support - looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Adequate for RD. No ISBNs for his publications, but they're there on the individual books' articles (for which kudos: having a complete bibliography w/ articles for each is unusual). Moscow Mule (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- A reader shouldn’t have to go looking in linked articles for references. Stephen 01:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Well, I said that on the offchance someone might take the hint. If no one does, and I'm at a loose end later... Moscow Mule (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- A reader shouldn’t have to go looking in linked articles for references. Stephen 01:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Five cn tags with some paragraphs completely unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Ready) Baltic states join CESA
[edit]Blurb: The Baltic states join the Continental Europe Synchronous Area after disconnecting from the IPS/UPS. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Baltic states complete their synchronization with the Continental Europe Synchronous Area electrical grid after disconnecting from the IPS/UPS.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is a notable geopolitical development, and the article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Added nomination header. @ArionStar:, could you please make sure to add your nom header when nominating next time? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 03:12, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- So sorry! ArionStar (talk) 03:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support An interesting insight into the world's infrastructure. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Pretty big power grid news, and it doesn't involve an accident! Very noteworthy indeed. Yo.dazo (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support definitely in the news and meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Article quality is also good enough to be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Significant development that's in the news & target article looks sufficiently detailed with no glaring issues. Vanilla Wizard 💙 12:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Added altblurb to clarify that the CESA is an electrical grid ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- oppose nothiing notable about this fringe news story.Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - a technical change that has next to no actual impact on anybody. nableezy - 17:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: I can't say I'm convinced this is ITN-worthy. TheBritinator (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Nableezy. Somewhat important from a geopolitical standpoint, but not to the level of ITN. The Kip (contribs) 17:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Interesting, but I don't know what this actually means. Does changing grids mean that the Baltic states are no longer reliant on Russia? Does this have any impact on energy production or energy reliability? Natg 19 (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- For example, a Russian power outage could affect the Baltics, or even an attack on the region's electric power system could happen more easily. ArionStar (talk) 01:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- The article makes it fairly clear that the Baltic States have unplugged from the Russian grid and plugged into the main European grid instead. It's the electrical equivalent of joining Schengen. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Obviously major technical change, but also offers a glimpse into Baltic states' distancing from Russia. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 09:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Amal Nasser el-Din
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is too short for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 03:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Little to no info about this life between 1928 to 1961 is covered. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Liechtenstein general election
[edit]Blurb: General elections are held in Liechtenstein, with the Patriotic Union winning 10 of the 25 seats in the Landtag. (Post)
Alternative blurb: General elections are held in Liechtenstein, resulting in a win for the Patriotic Union with 10 out of 25 seats in the Liechtenstein.
Alternative blurb II: The Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas (pictured), wins the plurality of the seats in the Landtag of Liechtenstein.
Alternative blurb III: General elections are held in Liechtenstein, with the Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas (pictured), winning 10 of the 25 seats in the Landtag.
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheBritinator (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
TheBritinator (talk) 00:34, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support: The article, including the results table are well cited. Moraljaya67 (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Added altblurb2. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Automatically notable per ITNR which includes the general elections of any sovereign state. Article is in good quality. We previously posted the results of the 2021 Liechtenstein general election. --Pithon314 (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article's quality is good enough for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 11:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article has table of results but no prose about the election or results itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment the article is not in bad condition, but, as Joseph says, the results section should have prose and a “reactions” or “aftermath” section would be desirable. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The election happened a day ago. I'll add some prose but information is still coming in. TheBritinator (talk) 14:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302 & @Alsoriano97: I have added some prose about the results. Hope this helps. TheBritinator (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough for me. @TheBritinator if you are involved in this article, I think it would be good to make some reference to the reactions and the aftermath. But good job. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Looks like good quality article and also notable enough. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt 2 Good and ready. ArionStar (talk) 23:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support no quality problems. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: _-_Alsor (talk) 11:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66, Black Kite: the admins delay is a problem… ArionStar (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Weekday mornings (UTC) are always an issue for admins; much of the USA is asleep, and European admins are regularly at work or college (I just happen to work from home on Wednesdays). Anyway, Posted with alt2, will insert the image when it's protected. Black Kite (talk) 12:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66, Black Kite: the admins delay is a problem… ArionStar (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Oleg Strizhenov
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): announcement from his aide to RIA Novosti
Credits:
- Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Jaguarnik (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Not long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Length isn't a requirement for RD. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Length does become an issue if it does not properly detail notable aspects of the person's career/why they are notable. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Length isn't a requirement for RD. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support article looks good. Scuba 14:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Career section needs expansion and the award section needs sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Super Bowl LIX
[edit]Blurb: In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl (MVP Jalen Hurts pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl (MVP Jalen Hurts pictured).
Credits:
- Nominated by Ahuman00 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit) and BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Per WP:ITN/R and examples of these articles being found in previous ITNs. I understand this ITN may be postponed until after the completion of the game. Ahuman00 (talk) 06:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Reluctant support since I don't believe the American Hand-Egg Championships should be ITN/R, but, until such time as that's corrected, they are This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- It generates more revenue than anything other than [possibly] the world cup of soccer. It is far more notable that kicking a ball around aimlessly and without strategy for 90 minutes.49.206.5.189 (talk) 11:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Gee, which is the more popular sport globally? On top of that why does Yank Football stop and start every second with little play for most of it?--2A00:23C7:4F92:4E01:9C74:2862:F1BB:11D4 (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- It generates more revenue than anything other than [possibly] the world cup of soccer. It is far more notable that kicking a ball around aimlessly and without strategy for 90 minutes.49.206.5.189 (talk) 11:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait then support. We will wait for the results and support as an ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural close notability isn't in doubt because it's ITN/R. It's not in a fit state to post until it says who wins and has a match summary, which won't be for over 16 hours. Therefore any debate is moot. We may as well start a nomination for the 2028 presidential election as that is on ITN/R. Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Added altblurb with SBMVP, but can we PLEASE not nominate stuff of this (scheduled events) hours before they happen? Please and thanks. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:47, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- It seems that someone is in a hurry than me around here. Lol ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per ITN/R --SpectralIon 03:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, wait for quality – there are still a few CN tags in the article and the game summary is still quite lacking—obviously this is ITNR and this may as well be one of the most notable events this year, but some time is needed before posting. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 03:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Only one CN tag now—I can thrust my full support now. — 3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 06:14, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support because it's the biggest sporting event in America and it's the norm for it to be on ITN. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 03:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Also, I should add that I support the alt blurb so we can add Hurts' picture and explain that he's the MVP winner. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 03:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I do not believe sporting events should qualify for ITN/R. If the event has nothing to show outside of its results or its events, excluding things such as world records; it simply does not make sense to include it. By this logic, PAX East should be ITN/R
- PikminFan9000 (talk) 03:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @PikminFan9000 this isn’t a discussion on whether or not sports items should be ITN/R. This is a discussion on whether or not this article is good enough quality to be posted to the main page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- While I understand this, something like the super bowl will always receive a high level of attention from editors and is all but guaranteed to be ITN. It feels disingenuous to allow people to state opposition to something that passes through regardless without allowing them to address the root cause. I will acquiesce and agree this probably belongs on the ITN/R talk page, at least under wiki's guidelines PikminFan9000 (talk) 04:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @PikminFan9000 this isn’t a discussion on whether or not sports items should be ITN/R. This is a discussion on whether or not this article is good enough quality to be posted to the main page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Added "ITNR" parameter. The Super Bowl is listed in the ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support: Adding the Super Bowl to ITN has been a precedence that has already been set, I don't know why we would make an exception for this one. Also, due to the current circumstances, I predict that this Super Bowl will be seen as one of the more culturally impactful ones. -MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 04:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles! Also, almost everything is referenced now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Support: Even Messi, Koke and FIFA president Gianni Infantino didn't want to miss the game! CoatCheck (talk) 05:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Reminder The Super Bowl is ITNR, there is no point in supporting on the nature of the story. !votes here should focus on the quality of the article, only. --Masem (t) 05:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Awesome work by the boys in this one and great to see Jalen and Nick get their due. Article looks good to go, though of course some additions can and will be made eventually, but nothing that should disrupt quality in any meaningful way. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES! DarkSide830 (talk) 05:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Per ITNR and the article looks in great shape. --Pithon314 (talk) 06:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support — Only one CN tag left so more than ready for posting. DecafPotato (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. I'll add the image when it's protected. Black Kite (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Image added. Black Kite (talk) 08:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Picture didn't last long (a day at best). No idea why. Watch the next soccer photo be up for a week. CoatCheck (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- CoatCheck Because another story with a suitable image came along; this happens all the time. Note that the one that replaced it has since been replaced itself. If the image lasts only a few hours, we do sometimes delay the later image use, but this one was fine. It's nothing to do with what the article is about; all are treated in the same way. Black Kite (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support for obvious reasons, but agree that this shouldn’t be nominated until the game is actually over - it’s premature otherwise. Congrats Birds. The Kip (contribs) 17:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
February 8
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February 8, 2025
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RD: Gyalo Thondup
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Darjeeling Chronicle
Credits:
- Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), YordleSquire (talk · give credit) and Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Brother of 14th Dalai Lama and de facto political leader of Tibet in exile. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted as blurb) Blurb/RD: Sam Nujoma
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former President of Namibia Sam Nujoma (pictured) dies at the age of 95. (Post)
Alternative blurb: First President of Namibia Sam Nujoma (pictured) dies at the age of 95
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Amakuru (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit), Kowal2701 (talk · give credit) and Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: First President of Namibia Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - much of his early life and political career sections remain uncited --Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Not ready. An actual Father of the Nation but unless someone can source that vast section on the independence movement he's not going to make it. Moscow Mule (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment A blurb would be appreciated for the “father of the Namibian Nation” and, for my part, I would support it as we have done in previous cases. But the quality of the article is not good: many sources are missing and it would be necessary to evaluate in detail if the content exposes his role as “father” and builder of the country. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
Oppose on quality Article needs some major ref work before this could get posted.Would support a blurb seeing as how he's a founding father of a nation. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)- Oppose blurb not that he seems to be the type of leader that we should blurb, but the article does not clearly lay out the reasoning for this beyond the brief lede summary and a list of awards. There needs to be a singular section about his legacy or impact to explain why he was highly regarded in this role, which seems should be possible given what he did. However, given the significantly lack of sources, getting even to the RD may be difficult, Oppose RD on lack of sourcing. Masem (t) 12:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD with improvements but really for the blurb, having one or two condensed paragraphs summarizing the sourcing about his recognition (which exists throughout the article but not well summarized) would really help to make this a quality article for a blurb. I'm not denying he is clearly appropriate for a blurb, but from a quality aspect, having to sift through the entire article to understand this facet is not helpful to readers. Masem (t) 02:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think the first paragraph addresses this? Kowal2701 (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD with improvements but really for the blurb, having one or two condensed paragraphs summarizing the sourcing about his recognition (which exists throughout the article but not well summarized) would really help to make this a quality article for a blurb. I'm not denying he is clearly appropriate for a blurb, but from a quality aspect, having to sift through the entire article to understand this facet is not helpful to readers. Masem (t) 02:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb , referencing issues are sorted Kowal2701 (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb. This is an open and shut blurb case - he was perhaps the single biggest figure in the independence movement for Namibia, its first president for 15 years, and it's possible the country wouldn't even exist without him. Suggesting he's not of the calibre for blurbing would be akin to saying George Washington shouldn't be blurbed, and that given the proliferation of relatively minor figures being blurbed of late. I despair sometimes! Anyway, I've added some refs in the political career section, and Kowal2701 has done a sterling job with the rest so I think the quality is now fine. — Amakuru (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, if he doesn't deserve a blurb, no politician does. He was the personification of Nambia's liberation struggle. A legacy section would be ideal, but tbh it sort of goes without saying Kowal2701 (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb as he was the first president of Namibia. Good article. ArionStar (talk) 23:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb Notability established as first head of state for modern Namibia. Additionally, article quality is far better than what I saw when first checking over earlier this morning. Well done! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support blurb As leader of SWAPO and later president of Namibia, Nujoma effectively led the Namibian people for almost 50 years, and the Namibian war being such a quagmire was a big contributor towards the end of Apartheid in South Africa. This is as close to Thatcher/Mandela as we could get. Curbon7 (talk) 02:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD while blurb discussion continues. SpencerT•C 04:03, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK, blurb him. His being on the currency kind of settled it for me. Excellent clean-up/referencing work by the other updaters. Two-para legacy section added. AltBlurb, unless someone suggests something better. And does anyone else prefer the 2003 photo where he's wearing a carnation? Moscow Mule (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Clear consensus for a blurb here... I'm flagging as "attention needed". Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Ne Zha 2 breaks box office records
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Chinese animated film Ne Zha 2 becomes the highest grossing film of all time in China and the highest grossing non-English language film of all time, grossing over $1 billion at the box office in just 12 days. (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, Global Times
Credits:
- Nominated by The Image Editor (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Support The article is in OK shape (maybe needs a bit more details about the plot), the fact itself is pretty interesting.Trepang2 (talk) 05:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Box office (if not #1 in world) doesn't matter. Chinese films grossing higher and higher should be taken as a common event now. If there is something really special about it other than this, let us know. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 06:36, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Lean oppose Breaking news: there's a lot of people in China. More at eleven. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't think we posted Inside Out 2 becoming the highest grossing animated film of all time. If this film surpasses that record, maybe we can consider posting.Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I can't think of any box office record other than becoming the highest-grossing film globally that would be ITN-worthy. TompaDompa (talk) 14:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - per above ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 16:24, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Why was this nomination WP:SNOW closed so quickly when others with similarly impossible support to oppose ratios have stayed open for so long? I feel like we should be more consistent with these. For example, looking at the timing of the comments and which were there when this closed, the bus plunge below should have been SNOWed simultaneously. --SpectralIon 18:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
2025 Escárcega bus crash
[edit]Blurb: A bus crash kills 41 people in Escárcega, Mexico. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A bus collides with a truck killing 41 people in Escárcega, Mexico.
Alternative blurb II: A bus collides with a truck resulting in fire killing 41 people in Escárcega, Mexico.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ExclusiveEditor (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 02:28, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. A bus crashed. This is not a significant event that merits coverage in an encyclopedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:03, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, as the article is a stub. If the article is improved, maybe I will change my vote to support, as we posted the 2024 Minas Gerais road crash in 2024. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have some experience in searching sources and improving articles. Going to sleep and back to work… 💤 ArionStar (talk) 03:37, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. A 25-word stub. (And Escárcega is in Campeche, not Tabasco.) Moscow Mule (talk) 04:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- It says near Escárcega. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 05:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- The infobox says "near Escárcega, Tabasco". Fwiw, neither of the references say it occurred in Tabasco. Moscow Mule (talk) 05:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- It says near Escárcega. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 05:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose a near-literal bus plunge This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:25, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note: I have expanded the article since, from the one line it was before. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 07:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability. 41 deaths from a weird accident where identification of bodies has become difficult due to burns, a mystery why truck driver invaded the lane, international coverage, and importantly an improved article. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 10:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks @ExclusiveEditor! ArionStar (talk) 15:08, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note: I have
moved page 2025 Tabasco bus crash to 2025 Escárcega bus crash: Based on all the sources, it appears it happened in the outskirts of this city 'Escárcega' and Tobsco government is just taking active initiative in helping and providing information
. Also changed the blurb and target article accordingly. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 10:36, 9 February 2025 (UTC) - Comment These types of relatively low-level traffic accidents are the types of articles that are very much unlikely to develop into actual encyclopedic ones. This is part of what MINIMUMDEATHS get to, is that its not so much the death toll that matters but how likely is the event to have enduring coverage past a few days of news? --Masem (t) 15:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, especially Masem’s reasoning. The Kip (contribs) 17:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability per ExclusiveEditor, as well as my comments on the other Guatemala bus crash article above. 41 casualties is well-above the average bus crash, as well as above the number of casualties in other crashes from North America which we have previously posted (in those cases, less than 15-20). I see some reasonable distinction between this crash and the Guatemala one because it occurred in a very rural area, whereas the Guatemala crash occurred in the nation's capital itself (which is potentially more unusual/more likely to generate increased coverage due to proximity to many people). Ultimately, I think both are notable per our precedent. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dick Jauron
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Kline (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Hey man im josh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former NFL head coach for the Bears and Bills. Kline • talk • contribs 18:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
Weak oppose As only the Early coaching career subsection needs citations.Rest of the article is good with regards to quality, lengthing, sources, etc. Support, as all issues have been cleared up. Thanks, @Hey man im josh! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)- Working on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Kline, @Fakescientist8000: I made some significant changes to the sourcing and improved that section quite a bit. I've got to pop off for the day though now. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Working on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The article has now been significantly improved, going from 24 to 46 references. This includes replacing a number of dead links and poor sources while also re-using the references I added in a number of places. It's in a lot better shape now and I'd say ready to go, with the appropriate support of course. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Ready) Ongoing: M23 campaign (2022–present)
[edit]Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: it’s an ongoing conflict with escalation and many wiki editors have been consistently editing and updating the article Wafflefrites (talk) 22:23, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Article is of good quality and is definitely being updated regularly. I think at this point it’s pretty notable with the UN’s involvement and the M23’s advancements, so I won’t have a problem promoting this to ongoing ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 00:15, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support as per above. There is escalation with daily updates, and the article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:54, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. Major ongoing conflict. Wonder about a name change to something like "War in Kivu" or something, but that's mostly an aside This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk)
- Support, I think it should also be renamed but that's best left for the article's talk page. 675930s (talk) 02:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment is Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) not more appropriate?
- Kowal2701 (talk) 12:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- The Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) does have a better title, but the article is not very long and doesn’t seem to be as frequently updated. The scope of that page currently seems to be mostly a summary timeline of major events. The editors of those pages chose to split the articles and they’ve been focusing on the M23 military campaign. Maybe they chose Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) to be an overall summary of the conflict for now, and they are focusing their editing efforts on the M23 military campaign. Maybe the articles needs to be merged or the article that is supposed to be the summary needs to be updated more. Wafflefrites (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Probably not worth changing anything until the conflict escalates/ceases Kowal2701 (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- The Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) does have a better title, but the article is not very long and doesn’t seem to be as frequently updated. The scope of that page currently seems to be mostly a summary timeline of major events. The editors of those pages chose to split the articles and they’ve been focusing on the M23 military campaign. Maybe they chose Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) to be an overall summary of the conflict for now, and they are focusing their editing efforts on the M23 military campaign. Maybe the articles needs to be merged or the article that is supposed to be the summary needs to be updated more. Wafflefrites (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I question the quality of the article. It is well sourced -- but also over-excessive on details and day-to-day events. Its very hard to follow because of this. I realize this is a long-running campaign and thus its hard to necessarily write an overall picture, but some of the earlier sections (in chronological time order) could easily be better summarzied. No comment on significance for ongoing beyond that it is appropriately updated with ongoing news coverage. --Masem (t) 18:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment If needed, please see earlier nomination at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2025#(Posted) M23 offensive (2022-present). Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment started an RM
- Kowal2701 (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Ongoing & Comment just out of curiosity why are we nominating just the offensive and not the whole kivu conflict? sorry if this is a dumb question i’m just curious. Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above, seems good enough quality-wise and is receiving frequent updates. The Kip (contribs) 16:23, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Tony Roberts (actor)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News: Stage and film actor Tony Roberts, who often starred in Woody Allen movies, dies at 85
Credits:
- Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Jaguarnik (talk) 10:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - the vast majority of the "Life and career" section, as well as the entire filmography, is unsourced. The Kip (contribs) 16:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dafydd Elis-Thomas
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Duke of New Gwynedd (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Welsh politician, life peer, former MP and leader of Plaid Cymru. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 21:48, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support - one CN but that shouldn't completely stop this nom. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 23:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. There's more to be said (18 yrs at Westminster, propping up Callaghan in the Winter of Discontent and VoC, 1979 referendum...), but it's unobjectionable for RD as it stands. Llywydd Senedd Cymru, indeed. Moscow Mule (talk) 01:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support The article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Virginia Halas McCaskey
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:
- Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 207.172.32.211 (talk · give credit), BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit) and Hey man im josh (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Owner of the Chicago Bears, 102. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and is long enough for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:50, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. Da bears! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I've done a lot of work on the refs and have also added some sourcing for a number of spots that I felt the references didn't verify. I don't want to boldly add myself for credits, and would understand if you wanted to object, but I'd appreciate if you were willing to add me as an updater. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- You're the best :) Hey man im josh (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted charlotte 👸♥ 07:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Irv Gotti
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter (reliable), WBLS
Credits:
- Nominated by Imconfused3456 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Imconfused3456 02:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Improvement needed: It is currently orange tagged, and citations for discography section could be picked from the main article. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 09:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Bering Air Flight 445
[edit]Blurb: A Cessna 208 Caravan (similar aircraft pictured) carrying ten people disappears over the Norton Sound, off the coast of Alaska in the United States. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Since small plane flights are acceptable here. ArionStar (talk) 12:21, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose No one died and this isn’t particularly notable Personisinsterest (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- You don't know that though. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Aircraft disappearances aren't particularly common and this plane had 10 people on it. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Wait It's only been missing for a matter of hours, and it would probably have been found already if it went down on land.Oppose on notability. Estreyeria (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)- Wait - Give them time to look for the plane... Also there are some quality issues with the article. It says the plane disappeared at 3:16pm AKST on February 7th, but it is currently 4:23am AKST on February 7th...? ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- I've updated the article per sources. FYI this accident took place on February 6, 2025 - not February 7th as the article incorrectly stated before. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose opening the floodgates to every minor plane crash/incident being posted to ITNR. Not every incident has encyclopedic relevance. The Kip (contribs) 14:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm inclined to wait for news in this story; but the nominator's comment seems a little bit pointed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait one more day, then support I think the nominator is trying to make a point, but I am undeterred. The fact remains that American plane crashes in general are exceedingly rare, attract immense social interest, and have long-standing impacts on both the aviation industry and the community where the crash is located (in this case, most lethal crash in Alaska of a generation). Put that all together with this being an aircraft disappearance (not just a crash on landing for example), and that makes this notable. The fact that a few of them have coincidentally happened back to back doesn't really negate this fact. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment We're not even two months in and this is already a very bad year for aviation. Depending on what happens next I might give my support. Departure– (talk) 16:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Another small aircraft just crashed in São Paulo today, and killed two people. ArionStar (talk) 16:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Looking at 2024, there seems to be an aviation accident or incident every week, on average. WP:NEWSEVENT applies. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support as per Chorchapu. 64.114 etc 18:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We generally do not post private/non-airline crashes or disappearances unless there is far more to the nature of the story. Unlike commercial airline crashes which get heavily investigated by national air safety boards, private ones rarely do, so there's no indication this will have a long tail of coverage. --Masem (t) 19:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem It actually was a commercial flight operated by Bering Air, but agree otherwise; it's a comparatively minor accident on a flight operated by a small intrastate (not even regional) carrier. It doesn't seem too far off from Thai Flying Service Flight 209, which is currently at AfD and wasn't even nominated when it happened, let alone posted. The Kip (contribs) 20:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Other incidents of similar scale/(lack of greater) notability that weren't nominated/posted include 2023 Rio Branco Cessna Grand Caravan crash, 2023 Manaus Aerotáxi Embraer Bandeirante crash, 2022 Mutiny Bay DHC-3 Otter crash, and Siberian Light Aviation Flight 51. The Kip (contribs) 20:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- While I do agree that by itself a plane crash wouldn't be important enough to put on ITN, this is a aircraft disappearance, which doesn't happen nearly as often. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem It actually was a commercial flight operated by Bering Air, but agree otherwise; it's a comparatively minor accident on a flight operated by a small intrastate (not even regional) carrier. It doesn't seem too far off from Thai Flying Service Flight 209, which is currently at AfD and wasn't even nominated when it happened, let alone posted. The Kip (contribs) 20:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Small aircraft crashes are quite common in Alaska (because of frequent bad weather and because it is often the only way to travel). Curbon7 (talk) 21:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- How common? Show us some stats. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- These two articles are a bit outdated (dating 2019 and 2008) but get the idea across. Curbon7 (talk) 09:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- How common? Show us some stats. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support disappearances with 10+ passengers with no concrete answers on its fate after 24 hours are highly unusual in aviation. I’m immediately reminded of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - not every plane crash needs ITN. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 23:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Chorchapu, + can't remember the last time I heard a plane went missing. I do understand that it most likely crashed, but it may have survivors. TheHiddenCity (talk) 23:54, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Update — The US Coast Guard has located the wreckage, 3 fatalities confirmed so far. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 00:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose There is nothing inherent about fatal aircraft incidents that make them historical events worthy of mention in an encyclopedia, let alone on the main page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:27, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 07:42, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Not notable. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose due to the current phrasing of the nomination – The article was nominated for ITN when the aircraft had disappeared off radar and when search and rescues were still being conducted. This should have been nominated after more information was known, at least waiting one or two more days before doing so. Now that the aircraft's wreckage has been found, a renomination or amendment to the nomination can be made, because, as it stands, the nomination is clearly outdated. As to whether I would support it, I'm still unsure. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support 10+ deaths, no concrete reason for why the plane went down. Scuba 18:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- If this was postable any how, would we not have posted it if the reason was known? 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 21:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment should this be WP:SNOW closed? I personally don't have much of an opinion on this but I don't think it's getting posted. --SpectralIon 18:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Hans-Peter Lehmann
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Musik heute
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Influential opera manager and opera director of the Staatsoper Hannover for two decades, playing neglected works from the 20th century including commissions of new works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support, no issues tagged and the article is long enough. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Quick, before he rolls off. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 03:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Attention Needed: Ready) RD: Louis-Gaston Mayila
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Gabonese politician History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support Article could benefit with a little more detail about what he accomplished in his political roles but fully referenced and meets minimum depth standards. SpencerT•C 04:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2025 Southeast Europe retail boycotts
[edit]Blurb: A series of boycotts (flyer pictured) against retail stores begin in Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Albania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A series of boycotts (flyer pictured) against retail stores expands to several countries in Southeast Europe.
News source(s): IntelliNews; The Straits Times; DW; Euronews; Baklan Insight
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Created by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 04:09, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient notability and quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:16, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per the above. 64.114 etc 04:42, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - No one cares about a bunch of people boycotting some small supermarket retail in the Balkans. Nestle has had an active boycott of over 40 years yet we dont cover it ever. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:47, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Even if the supermarket retail is small, a boycott where 89.5% of a country is participating is still notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:41, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, leaning oppose - At the moment, we're only seeing the proposed action, not the impact. Calling for a boycott is easy; making change with one is difficult. (Which is why people are still boycotting Nestle after 40 years - it's had minimal effect on policy.) I'm not against this in principle, but we'd need to see it actually achieve something. GenevieveDEon (talk) 06:53, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Government measures are being introduced all the time. Some of them didn’t pay off, so the boycotts call for different measures. This is well-covered in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:02, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support These are certainly notable and very unusual boycotts triggered by the elevated consumer prices and the high profit margins.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:55, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is affecting the economy of the Balkans in a significant way. Rager7 (talk) 08:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support: The article indicates that the boycotts have had an impact, with price caps being introduced. This is an interesting international popular movement. Ironic (talk) 11:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support This doesn't seem all that notable to me, but it did have an impact on prices, so I guess. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose for now. Currently the article only discusses the direct impact of the boycotts in Croatia, not any other countries. Until we see how it impacts nations on a wider scale I don’t know if this is notable enough to post. I also feel like the article is a big vague in places about what exactly is being boycotted and thwart the impacts have been. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- The boycott in other countries just started on January 30… Let's wait for updates. ArionStar (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. I think the article could use some fleshing out of it's constituent sections. One small concern I have is not every country's section makes mention of the chains being boycotted. I understand it's a very broad boycott, but mentioning specific chains would probably better inform readers on the exact scope of the boycotts. Just my two cents, not a massive concern. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:53, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think it's better now. ArionStar (talk) 00:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Why was this moved from Feb 1 to Feb 5? The only change from an event standpoint is the addition of Albania to this. This feels like gaming this nomination, particularly as there is really no initiating event that we can really point to as the start of all this. --Masem (t) 01:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- From January 31 to February 5, due to the adhesion of Albania. Romania and Kosovo are planning to join on February 10. Moving a proposed blurb is allowed, by the way… ArionStar (talk) 01:10, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have moved this back to Jan 31, as ArionStar's edit also deleted the history of other nominations from Jan 31. Natg 19 (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- How to do that? ArionStar (talk) 01:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Done in the right way. Sorry for the mistake. ArionStar (talk) 01:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Ironic and MtPenguinMonster. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 08:17, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support as a pretty significant response to rising prices, but I do have to point out that the article is in some need of tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Remove Slovenia from the blurb, even if there were calls for boycott, this is not getting media attention in the country and it is not getting much tracking. Croatia is another story, this is top news there. --Tone 13:37, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think the alt blurb is better and summarize all the countries involved. ArionStar (talk) 14:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per ArionStar and Yo.dazo. FlipandFlopped ツ 15:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support (either blurb, but the one the lists the countries is preferred) The article is now in good enough state, especially given that the event is ongoing. It covers all the basic facts, has sufficient context, and is actively updated with new developments. I also think this is a highlight of the enwiki's ability to cover well non-Anglophone news, and I think this is a remarkable direct consumer action, regardless of whether it ultimately succeeds or fails to move the retail prices. Melmann 16:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support the alt blurb, this article seems good enough and this is a notable event. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:11, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality; the article struggles to distinguish between facts and rumours, and between one-day actions and indefinite ones; it also struggles to maintain NPOV. 217.180.228.171 (talk) 01:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Searching the news for "boycott", I find all sorts of other boycott stories – cricket, Tesla, Coca-Cola, etc. I have to go to the second page of hits to find this story. But it's not the only boycott in the Balkans as there's also a story that "Serb party ends boycott to fight Kosovo election". So, I'm not convinced this stands out in the news. And current readership of the article is tiny – less than 1,000 views per day – which also indicates that it's not prominent. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:35, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- It makes front page news in Croatia in all local reliable sources, every time. Melmann 10:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is very big news in Europe and the article looks good. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Is 12/6 consensus? ArionStar (talk) 02:30, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted, but I cannot see the point of including the poster, as it's not in English and readers will thus have no clue what they are looking at. Schwede66 00:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: I disagree… It's a flyer written in Croatian language, the first country involved. Important even if it's not in English. Please, add that. ArionStar (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
RD: Brian Turner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand
Credits:
- Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Mr. Lechkar (talk) 20:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now The bibliography is incomplete and there is a CN tag. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- That's a stub, and we don't post stubs. Schwede66 03:45, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sally J. Novetzke
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Gazette (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)
Credits:
- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: U.S. ambassador to Malta during George H.W. Bush administration. Sources are good, but could use expansion. wizzito | say hello! 15:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub, and has almost no length to it. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I will probably expand the article, unless someone else wishes to take up the plate to do so. wizzito | say hello! 03:27, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Go ahead—WP:BEBOLD. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:49, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- I will probably expand the article, unless someone else wishes to take up the plate to do so. wizzito | say hello! 03:27, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support - I think the article has been expanded enough now. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support Agree with mike_gigs. Marking ready for RD. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Posted charlotte 👸♥ 07:51, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Death of Mihir Ahammed
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: A 15-year-old school student in Kochi, Kerala committed suicide after being brutally ragged. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Teenager commits suicide in Kochi India after being subjected to brutally ragging
News source(s): Times of India NDTV Mathrubhumi Thenewsminute
Credits:
- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
- Comment Not ITN/R and removed some of the non-neutral wording in the nomination title. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:35, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Question: what is ragging? I didn't understand the concept. By the way, the death occurred on January, 15. ArionStar (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ArionStar Its basically a form of bullying that occurs in Indian universities that is done by seniors to the juniors, where they are forced to do various things like dance shirtless etc. TNM101 (chat) 12:41, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- That's not allowed by Indian law, right? It's just that here in Brazil we make donations as part of the so-called solidarity student hazing. ArionStar (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Good-faith nom, but it seems stale. ArionStar (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- That's not allowed by Indian law, right? It's just that here in Brazil we make donations as part of the so-called solidarity student hazing. ArionStar (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- @ArionStar Its basically a form of bullying that occurs in Indian universities that is done by seniors to the juniors, where they are forced to do various things like dance shirtless etc. TNM101 (chat) 12:41, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Question: what is ragging? I didn't understand the concept. By the way, the death occurred on January, 15. ArionStar (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The triggering event (the death) is stale, since tht was reported on in the days from it happening. The only other thing of note are some small scale protests against the state police. This likely shouldn't even be an article since the person was non-notable to start, and that ragging seems to be a common problem in India and Sri Lanka that the coverage of one death from it that has yet to result in any change to laws or the like is far too soon. Masem (t) 13:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Just fed up of all bad things are common in India opposes where they aren't. Ragging is equivalent to bullying in nature, and I suppose is equal if not less common in India than US. Those leading to death are even rarer, and generally the well documented ones have a precedent to have a Wikipedia article. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Though agree with you on rest. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Just fed up of all bad things are common in India opposes where they aren't. Ragging is equivalent to bullying in nature, and I suppose is equal if not less common in India than US. Those leading to death are even rarer, and generally the well documented ones have a precedent to have a Wikipedia article. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. The Kip (contribs) 13:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Wait and see: It has only recently(a day or so ago) got traction in mass media, and if it turns into anything bigger, an RD may?be posted. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)Alternatively OpposeArticle probably should be on the 'case' than death of xyz. In such case neither RD nor blurb would be suitable, at least as of now, per Masem. As well as based on quality, tagged it with cleanup required. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as stale. He would be ineligible for an RD as Ahammed did not have an article prior to his death (and thus was not notable) ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:11, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Its the nature and aftermath (no wp:crystalball though) of his death that is more notable than the kid himself. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, but when we post RD's it's because the target article (person) is notable (by way of having an existing article), not because their death is. Per WP:ITNRD:
An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article
. Also the death (or announcement) must have been within the past 7 days, so in this case it would also be stale. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:42, 5 February 2025 (UTC)- Yes, you are right. I had opposed it for the same above, though I felt it would be noble to iterate that his case itself may not have notability issues. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, but when we post RD's it's because the target article (person) is notable (by way of having an existing article), not because their death is. Per WP:ITNRD:
- Its the nature and aftermath (no wp:crystalball though) of his death that is more notable than the kid himself. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note: I have draftified the article because it seemed to be hastily written with contradictions, even for the date of suicide. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and WP:CRYSTALBALL. Note: Item was closed by Roy Is Warii because the article was draftified. Though that should not have been done, I however have reopened this given the article is back. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor Ping Me🔔 06:36, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Impeachment of Sara Duterte
[edit]Blurb: The House of Representatives of the Philippines votes to impeach vice president Sara Duterte (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: Vice president of the Philippines Sara Duterte is impeached by the House of Representatives.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: A major political event in the Philippines with continued consequences. ArionStar (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, The Senate still have no vote for the impeachment trial, and it is ongoing as for today. We should wait for until senate concluded all votes if whether impeached or not because Sara Duterte still a vice president based on the report on GMA Integrated News on the news of 24 Oras by Sec. Gen. Reginald Velasco. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:22, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose while this is really big news for Filipino politics, Sara is just the VP. ITN is for changes to heads of state/government, she is neither. Scuba 22:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Let me quote for this on what he said:
Once it's approved, it's transmitted to the Senate of the Philippines. — Sec. Gen. Reginald Velasco
Sir, that means [Sara Duterte] the Vice President is impeached? —GMA Integrated News
Yeah, yeah. Well, the word is impeached. But of course, she has to be tried by the Senate, no? — Sec. Gen. Reginald Velasco
Yes, sir. So even if she's impeached and not yet convicted by the Senate... — GMA Integrated News
She is still the sitting Vice President. — Sec. Gen. Reginald Velasco
— GMA Integrated News ROY is WAR Talk! 12:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Duterte has been impeached but is not yet convicted. Similarly, the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol was posted although Yoon is still the sitting South Korean president, and his case is still pending in the Constitutional Court. 360kong (talk) 12:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, i see that. However, I think they need that votes on Senate of the Philippines since they are the only one need to be concluded. To be summarized, Senate will have a impeachment trial for that, but, Senate have adjourned until June 2. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. ITN had posted when Merceditas Gutierrez was impeached (which is what happened here), and when Renato Corona was convicted. ITN did not post the impeachment of Andres Bautista. Duterte is the highest official impeached when ITN is a thing. Wait until the Senate's final vote. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment FWIW we also did post the 2021 impeachment of Trump by the House (the Senate never voted on conviction). --Masem (t) 13:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think it will depends on the constitution, In the Philippines, if there's a impeachment although the Philippine Congress decision for impeachment, it is still required or need to be concluded of Senate of the Philippines of impeachment trial. ROY is WAR Talk! 13:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know the philippine law, but in the US, the house votes to declare impeachment but the senate votes whether to actually convict or not. This reads the same that one side of the legislature has votes to issue impeachment while the other sides votes to say if those stick and thus proceed with removal from office. — Masem (t) 14:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think it will depends on the constitution, In the Philippines, if there's a impeachment although the Philippine Congress decision for impeachment, it is still required or need to be concluded of Senate of the Philippines of impeachment trial. ROY is WAR Talk! 13:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - Have we ever posted a vice president being impeached? Even if they were convicted? I believe all the comparisons being made are for presidents - I can't recall considering posting about the impeachment of vice president, though maybe I don't understand how important that role is in the government of the Philippines? ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- This is the first on the history of the Philippines that the Vice President of the Philippines was impeached, so it is passed on the ITN, however, the Senate of the Philippines are not starting of the impeachment trial. So, I suggest that we should wait until the Senate have conclude their votes. ROY is WAR Talk! 14:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- ITN posted the removal of the Philippine Chief Justice due to an impeachment in May 2012.
- ITN posted the impeachment of the Philippine ombudsman in 2011. The ombudsman resigned prior to the Senate impeachment trial. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- While not an impeachment, quo warranto petition against Maria Lourdes Sereno that led to the removal of the sitting chief justice, was also posted on May 2018.
- I'd imagine Joseph Estrada's impeachment in 2000 would have been posted. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until the Philippine Senate cast their vote Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 14:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy, the session of the Philippine Senate will be continue on June 2, so I think it will be cause of delay. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - is there a better photo? It looks like they are wearing a costume for a Christmas pageant or something. Nfitz (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Nfitz, it is a Filipiniana dress. Is a traditional gown for women in the Philippines, that is a formal attire for a president and vice president on a official portrait. ROY is WAR Talk! 16:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- That is her official portrait, and one of the most used image internationally as I know. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 16:17, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's the right image then. Nfitz (talk) 16:46, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as she’s not the highest-level executive. I wouldn’t support blurbing any other VP/Deputy PM/etc removals either. The Kip (contribs) 18:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait I don't mind posting this per se, given it's emblematic of the political crisis the Philippines are engulfed in, but agree with others that we should await the Senate vote and only post if she is indeed impeached. Khuft (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- She has been impeached, the act done by the lower house of Congress is indeed that, but the uppee house will have vote to remove her from office. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:29, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support per Khuft; while she is not the highest-ranking executive, this is pretty huge news because of the current political situation and power struggle that is happening in the country. That being said, I was initially leaning towards casting a vote to "wait" for the result of the impeachment trial; however, it is uncertain as to when that will happen. There is a possibility that the trial will only occur after the midterm elections, and a lot of things can happen between today and if/when that trial finally concludes: one of those possibilities is that she resigns somehow (although that is highly unlikely for now). And I also just want this to be clear: she is already impeached (only the lower house can do that), but she is not yet convicted by the impeachment court (which can only be done by the upper house/senate). Vida0007 (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- If she resigns it's a different story and a different blurb. The Senate may no longer proceed with the trial phase (just like what was done with Estrada). Howard the Duck (talk) 10:48, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support The impeachment is a done deal; even if she is later actually removed from office the appointment of a new VP then should arrest concerns of ITN duplication. Gotitbro (talk) 03:27, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
:Support I agree. 64.114 etc 03:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)- Support I agree with you. 64.114 etc 04:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- @64.114 etc You've voted twice on this nomination, please struck your first vote. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:44, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support I agree with you. 64.114 etc 04:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Gotitbro. This is the culmination of a longstanding political crisis in the Philippines and it has attracted international coverage. The impeachment trial may not be for several months. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support, impeachment is significant and newsworthy in its own right. It doesn't rely on other steps in the political process to be significant. CMD (talk) 05:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support It is true that the Senate would have to delay proceedings because of the upcoming midterm elections, but in my view that only escalates the stakes there—all of a sudden, it also became a question of whether X would vote to impeach the vice president or not. That alone would be interesting and relevant for months to come, which easily puts it on ITN. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Added alt blurb, similar to the blurb format regarding Trump's second impeachment. Moraljaya67 (talk) 13:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Excellent alt! ArionStar (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose/Wait. I don't think we should post impeachments when they need to be verified by another body for said person to be removed from power. It's an intermediate step in the process. We can/should post if Duarte is removed from office. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:53, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support on principle My initial thought is that we should never bother posting the impeachment of a government official that isn't the head of government/state, however after reading the article it's clear that this is no ordinary impeachment, and that this is really a unique crisis impacting the government of the Philippines. Without prejudice to future impeachments of vice presidents, I support. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Support this is seeing plenty of coverage, including follow-up and analysis articles. Banedon (talk) 05:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until the Senate makes a decision. I oppose posting the beginning of the trial or if the Senate decides in her favor, although I support posting it if she is successfully impeached. --SpectralIon 19:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- She is already impeached. You may be referring to the conviction which may lead to removal from office. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:01, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I was referring to the senate conviction, sorry for the wording error. SpectralIon 04:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- She is already impeached. You may be referring to the conviction which may lead to removal from office. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:01, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Simona Halep retirement
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Romanian tennis player Simona Halep announces her retirement. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Romanian sportswoman Simona Halep retires from tennis.
Alternative blurb II: Romanian former No. 1 tennis player Simona Halep announces her retirement from the sport.
News source(s): (Bein Sports)
Credits:
- Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
- Oppose. We don't post retirement of a certain player. Moraljaya67 (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think as a prominent female figure she deserves some work QalasQalas (talk) 09:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Moraljaya67 Btw they posted Federer and Nadal retirement, make sense. QalasQalas (talk) 09:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Can you provide a link to the ITN postings for Federer and Nadal? As far as I'm aware, sports retirements are not usually posted because athletes frequently un-retire (e.g. Tom Brady). Curbon7 (talk) 09:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- It never posted on ITN but I don't know if it was nominated. Moraljaya67 (talk) 10:08, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- IDK if the ITN criteria have been changed but I will find the archive link. QalasQalas (talk) 10:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- have a search for ITN posting with "retire": [8]. Looks like we posted Sachin Tendulkar retiring in 2013, and nothing since 2017 comes up (and some of these are false positive results). I would also have opposed Nadal or Federer being posted, as well as literally any other sportsperson announcing retirement- because retirements can be temporary. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- IDK if the ITN criteria have been changed but I will find the archive link. QalasQalas (talk) 10:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Moraljaya67. I'm also not sure what 'figurative sportswoman female' is supposed to tell us about this nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- If you follow tennis you must know Halep.
- only I can compare tennis men like Federer or Nadal. QalasQalas (talk) 09:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Halep didn't even win all grand slams. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Added altblurb2. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose we don't generally post retirements of sportspeople to ITN, as they don't generally meet WP:ITNSIGNIF and can always be temporary. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. ITN has consistently declined to post sporting retirements, even for players who were widely considered the greatest ever in their sports. Halep doesn't even reach that level. We post the outcomes of major sporting tournaments, not individual careers. Modest Genius talk 12:30, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
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